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Lenny's Podcast: Product | Growth | Career

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Interviews with world-class product leaders and growth experts to uncover concrete, actionable, and tactical advice to help you build, launch, and grow your own product. www.lennysnewsletter.com

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Hard-won lessons building 0 to 1 inside Atlassian | Tanguy Crusson (Head of Jira Product Discovery)

Hard-won lessons building 0 to 1 inside Atlassian | Tanguy Crusson (Head of Jira Product Discovery)

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Growth | Career

Tanguy Crusson is the product lead for Jira Product Discovery at Atlassian. In his more than 10 years at the company, he has been instrumental in taking several new products from zero to one, including HipChat, Statuspage, and Jira Product Discovery. In this episode, we dive deep into the struggles of innovating and building new products inside a large company. Tanguy shares candid stories about what worked, what didn’t, and his many hard-won lessons learned about how to successfully build 0 to 1. We cover: • Why large companies with so many advantages still fail at creating new products • Lessons learned from building HipChat • How to avoid common pitfalls like competitive myopia and premature scaling • Lessons learned from the acquisition and integration of Statuspage • Insights from the success of Jira Product Discovery • Tactics for protecting your “ugly babies” • The power of “lighthouse users” • The importance of having a “why now” • Much more — Brought to you by: • Vanta—Automate compliance. Simplify security • WorkOS—Modern identity platform for B2B SaaS, free up to 1 million MAUs • Coda—The all-in-one collaborative workspace — Find the transcript at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/building-0-to-1-inside-atlassian-tanguy-crusson — Where to find Tanguy Crusson: • X: https://x.com/tanguycrusson • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tanguy-crusson-99832a — Where to find Lenny: • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ — In this episode, we cover: (00:00) Tanguy’s background (02:30) Tanguy’s journey at Atlassian (07:03) The challenges of innovating in large companies (10:42) Atlassian's high bar for excellence  (12:58) The HipChat story: successes, failures, and lessons learned (20:47) Lessons learned from building HipChat (33:49) Statuspage: a journey of perseverance (39:48) Acquisition challenges and lessons (47:22) Strategic decisions: build, buy, or partner? (48:17) Learning to articulate "why now" (54:08) A quick summary of lessons in this episode (55:40) The success and pain of launching Jira Product Discovery  (58:10) Incubating new products: the Point A program (01:00:13) Failure is the most likely outcome (01:04:15) Atlassian's four-phase approach to launching new products (01:09:20) Breaking rules without breaking trust (01:16:16) Early success and team autonomy (01:17:22) Innovating without disrupting existing customers (01:23:17) The Lighthouse Users program (01:30:00) Protecting and nurturing new ideas (01:36:14) Balancing innovation with personal well-being (01:38:17) A reminder to look after yourself (01:42:06) Lightning round — Referenced: • Atlassian: https://www.atlassian.com/ • HipChat: https://community.atlassian.com/t5/Hipchat/ct-p/hipchat • Stride: https://community.atlassian.com/t5/Stride/ct-p/stride • Statuspage: https://www.atlassian.com/software/statuspage • Opsgenie: https://www.atlassian.com/software/opsgenie • Jira Product Discovery: https://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/product-discovery • HipChat billboard: https://x.com/HubSpot/status/654696998126272512 • Announcing our new partnership with Slack: https://www.atlassian.com/blog/announcements/new-atlassian-slack-partnership • Slack shows it’s worried about Microsoft Teams with a full-page newspaper ad: https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/2/13497766/slack-microsoft-teams-new-york-times-ad • What Is ‘Dogfooding’?: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/14/business/dogfooding.html • Jira: https://www.atlassian.com/software/jira • Confluence: https://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence • PagerDuty: https://www.pagerduty.com/ • New Relic: https://newrelic.com/ • BigPanda: https://www.bigpanda.io/ • Transparent Uptime: http://www.transparentuptime.com/ • Vision, conviction, and hype: How to build 0 to 1 inside a company | Mihika Kapoor (Product at Figma): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/vision-conviction-hype-mihika-kapoor • Figma: https://www.figma.com/ • Lessons from Atlassian: Launching new products, getting buy-in, and staying ahead of the competition | Megan Cook (head of product, Jira): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/lessons-from-atlassian-launching • Noah Weiss on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/noahw/ • Tanguy’s LinkedIn post about “lighthouse users”: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/tanguy-crusson-99832a_lighthouse-users-one-of-the-pm-techniques-activity-7176654510801502210-hWNi/ • Pixar Chief: Protect Your ‘Ugly Babies’ (Your Unsightly Ideas): https://www.forbes.com/sites/andyboynton/2014/03/17/pixar-chief-protect-your-ugly-babies-your-unsightly-ideas/ • Atlas: https://www.atlassian.com/software/atlas • Point A: https://www.atlassian.com/point-a • Scott Farquhar on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/scottfarquhar • Who: A Method for Hiring: https://www.amazon.com/Who-Method-Hiring-HC-2008/dp/B004C79SRS/ • Hakim’s Odyssey: Book 1: From Syria to Turkey: https://www.amazon.com/Hakims-Odyssey-Book-Syria-Turkey/dp/1637790007 • Living with the Earth, Volume 1: Permaculture, Ecoculture: Inspired by Nature: https://www.amazon.com/Living-Earth-Gardeners-Permaculture-Ecoculture/dp/1856232603/ • INRIA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Institute_for_Research_in_Computer_Science_and_Automation • How a Hydrofoil Works: https://web.mit.edu/2.972/www/reports/hydrofoil/hydrofoil.html • What Is Kitefoil or Foilboarding?: https://www.whenitswindy.com/wp/?page_id=534 • Freediving: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freediving • Tanguy’s freediving stats: https://www.aidainternational.org/Athletes/Profile-00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000a45 • Perplexity: https://www.perplexity.com/ — Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com. — Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed. Get full access to Lenny's Newsletter at www.lennysnewsletter.com/subscribe

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The paths to power: How to grow your influence and advance your career | Jeffrey Pfeffer (author of 7 Rules of Power, professor at Stanford GSB)

The paths to power: How to grow your influence and advance your career | Jeffrey Pfeffer (author of 7 Rules of Power, professor at Stanford GSB)

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Growth | Career

Jeffrey Pfeffer teaches the single most popular (and somewhat controversial) class at Stanford’s Graduate School of Business: The Paths to Power. He’s also the author of 16 books, including 7 Rules of Power: Surprising—But True—Advice on How to Get Things Done and Advance Your Career. He has taught at Harvard, the London Business School, and IESE and has written for publications like Fortune and the Washington Post. Recognized by the Academy of Management and listed in the Thinkers50 Hall of Fame, Jeffrey also serves on several corporate and nonprofit boards, bringing his expertise to global audiences through seminars and executive education. In our conversation, we discuss: • Jeffrey’s seven rules of power • How individuals can acquire and use power in business • Networking, and how to do it effectively • How to build a non-cringe personal brand • How to increase your influence to amplify your impact • Examples and stories of people building power • Tradeoffs and challenges that come with power — Brought to you by: • Uizard—AI-powered prototyping for visionary product leaders • Webflow—The web experience platform • Heap—Cross-platform product analytics that converts, engages, and retains customers — Find the transcript at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-paths-to-power-jeffrey-pfeffer — Where to find Jeffrey Pfeffer: • X: https://x.com/JeffreyPfeffer • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffrey-pfeffer-57a01b6/ • Website: https://jeffreypfeffer.com/ • Podcast: https://jeffreypfeffer.com/pfeffer-on-power/ — Where to find Lenny: • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ — In this episode, we cover: (00:00) Jeffrey’s background  (02:54) Understanding discomfort with power (04:56) Power skills for underrepresented groups (07:51) The popularity and challenges of Jeffrey’s class at Stanford (12:21) The seven rules of power (13:03) Success stories from his course (15:43) Building a personal brand (21:11) Getting out of your own way (26:04) Breaking the rules to gain power (30:34) Networking relentlessly (40:10) Why Jeffrey says to “pursue weak ties” (42:00) Using your power to build more power (44:34) The importance of appearance and body language (47:15) Mastering the art of presentation (55:12) Examples of homework assignments that Jeffrey gives students (59:11) People will forget how you acquired power (01:03:58) More good people need to have power (01:10:49) The price of power and autonomy (01:17:13) A homework assignment for you — Referenced: • Gerald Ferris on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gerald-r-ferris-5816b1b5/ • Political Skill at Work: https://tarjomefa.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/4173-engilish.pdf • Laura Esserman, MD: https://cancer.ucsf.edu/people/esserman.laura • Taylor Swift’s website: https://www.taylorswift.com/ • Matthew 7: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%207&version=NIV • Mother Teresa quote: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/2887-if-you-judge-people-you-have-no-time-to-love • Paths to Power course description: https://jeffreypfeffer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Pfeffer-OB377-Course-Outline-2018.pdf • 7 Rules of Power: https://jeffreypfeffer.com/books/7-rules-of-power/ • The Knowing-Doing Gap: https://jeffreypfeffer.com/books/the-knowing-doing-gap/ • Derek Kan on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/derekkan/ • Mitt Romney on X: https://x.com/mittromney • Elaine Chao’s website: https://www.elainechao.com/ • Tony Hsieh: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Hsieh • Zappos: https://www.zappos.com/ • How I Did It: Zappos’s CEO on Going to Extremes for Customers: https://hbr.org/2010/07/how-i-did-it-zapposs-ceo-on-going-to-extremes-for-customers • McKinsey & Company: https://www.mckinsey.com/ • Bain & Company: https://www.bain.com/ • BCG: https://www.bcg.com/ • Keith Ferrazzi’s website: https://www.keithferrazzi.com/ • Deloitte: https://www2.deloitte.com/ • Tristan Walker: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tristanwalker/ • Foursquare: https://foursquare.com/ • Laura Chau on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laura-chau/ • Canaan Partners: https://www.canaan.com/ • Andreessen Horowitz: https://a16z.com/ • Sequoia Capital: https://www.sequoiacap.com/ • Greylock: https://greylock.com/ • The Women Who Venture (WoVen) Podcast: https://www.canaan.com/woven/podcasts • Imposter syndrome: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/imposter-syndrome • Gary Loveman and Harrah’s Entertainment: https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/faculty-research/case-studies/gary-loveman-harrahs-entertainment • “If you need help, just ask”: Underestimating compliance with direct requests for help: https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/faculty-research/publications/if-you-need-help-just-ask-underestimating-compliance-direct-requests • Life story of Kathleen Frances Fowler: https://www.forevermissed.com/kathleenfowler/lifestory • Jason Calacanis on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasoncalacanis/ • Jason Calacanis: A Case Study in Creating Resources: https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/faculty-research/case-studies/jason-calacanis-case-study-creating-resources • You’re Invited: The Art and Science of Connection, Trust, and Belonging: https://www.amazon.com/Youre-Invited-Science-Cultivating-Influence/dp/0063030977 • View from the Top: https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/experience/learning/guest-speakers/view-top • Omid Kordestani on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/omid-kordestani-46515151/ • Netscape: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape •  Esther Wojcicki on LinkedIn:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/estherwojcicki/ • Leanne Williams: https://med.stanford.edu/profiles/leanne-williams • Precision Psychiatry: Using Neuroscience Insights to Inform Personally Tailored, Measurement-Based Care: https://www.amazon.com/Precision-Psychiatry-Neuroscience-Personally-Measurement-Based/dp/1615371583 • Mark Granovetter on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-granovetter-8161704/ • The Strength of Weak Ties: https://snap.stanford.edu/class/cs224w-readings/granovetter73weakties.pdf • Getting a Job: https://www.amazon.com/Getting-Job-Study-Contacts-Careers/dp/0226305813 • Acting with Power: https://www.amazon.com/Acting-Power-More-Powerful-Believe/dp/110190397X • Articles by Herminia Ibarra: https://herminiaibarra.com/articles/ • Kingdom of the Planet of the Ape: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11389872/ • Jim Collins’s website: https://www.jimcollins.com/ • Dana Carney on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danarosecarney/ • Baba Shiv: https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/faculty-research/faculty/baba-shiv • Tony Hayward: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Hayward • Lloyd Blankfein: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_Blankfein • Regis McKenna: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regis_McKenna • Jack Valenti: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Valenti • Salman Rushdie quote: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/434175220328596286/ • How to build deeper, more robust relationships | Carole Robin (Stanford GSB professor, “Touchy Feely”): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/build-robust-relationships-carole-robin • Carole Robin’s 15% rule: https://pen-name.notion.site/Carole-Robin-on-Lenny-s-Podcast-dc7159208e4242428f4b11ebc92285eb • Karlie Kloss on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/karliekloss • Lindsey Graham’s website: https://www.lindseygraham.com/ • Was Microsoft’s Empire Built on Stolen Code? We May Never Know: https://www.wired.com/2012/08/ms-dos-examined-for-thef/ • Who’s who of Jeffrey Epstein’s powerful friends, associates and possible co-conspirators: https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/12/us/jeffrey-epstein-associates-possible-accomplices/index.html • Why Did Martha Stewart Go to Prison? A Look Back at Her 2004 Fraud Case: https://people.com/martha-stewart-fraud-case-prison-sentence-look-back-8550277 • Dianne Feinstein: https://www.congress.gov/member/dianne-feinstein/F000062 • Richard Blum: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_C._Blum • Athena Care Network: https://www.athenacarenetwork.org • James G. March: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_G._March • Satya Nadella on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/satyanadella/ • Trump Organization fined $1.6 million for tax fraud: https://apnews.com/article/politics-legal-proceedings-new-york-city-donald-trump-manhattan-e2f1d01525dafb64be8738c8b4f32085 • Rudy Giuliani: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Giuliani • Harvard president resigns amid claims of plagiarism and antisemitism backlash: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2024/jan/02/harvard-president-claudine-gay-resigns • Stanford president resigns after fallout from falsified data in his research: https://www.npr.org/2023/07/19/1188828810/stanford-university-president-resigns • Rudy Crew: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Crew — Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com. — Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed. 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Lessons from a two-time unicorn builder, 50-time startup advisor, and 20-time company board member | Uri Levine (co-founder of Waze)

Lessons from a two-time unicorn builder, 50-time startup advisor, and 20-time company board member | Uri Levine (co-founder of Waze)

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Growth | Career

Uri Levine is the co-founder of Waze, the world’s largest community-based traffic and navigation app, acquired by Google for over $1 billion. He’s also founded nine other companies, been on the board of 20 companies, and advised more than 50 companies. He’s most recently the author of Fall in Love with the Problem, Not the Solution: A Handbook for Entrepreneurs, hailed by Steve Wozniak as the “Bible for entrepreneurs.” Uri is dedicated to creating impactful startups that solve real-world problems and has seen everything from failure to moderate success to big success. In our conversation, we dig into: • Why falling in love with the problem is key to startup success • The phases of the startup journey and how to navigate them • Why firing is more important than hiring • How Waze iterated to achieve product-market fit • Tactics for telling a compelling story when fundraising • Much more — Brought to you by: • Vanta—Automate compliance. Simplify security • Mercury—The powerful and intuitive way for ambitious companies to bank • LinkedIn Ads—Reach professionals and drive results for your business — Find the transcript at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/lessons-from-uri-levine — Where to find Uri Levine: • X: https://twitter.com/urilevine1 • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/uri-levine • Website: https://urilevine.com/ — Where to find Lenny: • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ — In this episode, we cover: (00:00) Uri’s background (02:50) Falling in love with the problem (09:03) Signs this is a big enough problem (10:54) The importance of passion (12:06) A pivot example (14:01) Where to find startup ideas (21:57) Finding product-market fit at Waze (29:45) The different phases of a startup journey (36:47) What investors don’t want to hear (39:53) Fundraising tips (48:02) How to make your presentations stronger (50:32) A wild fundraising story (53:46) Firing and hiring (59:50) The 30-day test (01:04:12) Understanding users (01:12:10) Talking to the right users (01:15:36) Lightning round — Referenced: • Fall in Love with the Problem, Not the Solution: A Handbook for Entrepreneurs: https://www.amazon.com/Fall-Love-Problem-Solution-Entrepreneurs/dp/1637741987 • Waze: https://www.waze.com/ • Ben Horowitz on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/behorowitz/ • Ben Horowitz quote: https://quotefancy.com/quote/1635284/Ben-Horowitz-As-a-startup-CEO-I-slept-like-a-baby-I-woke-up-every-2-hours-and-cried • Michael Jordan quote: https://www.forbes.com/quotes/11194/#:~:text=I've%20lost%20almost%20300,that%20is%20why%20I%20succeed. • Steph Curry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Curry • How Airbnb Used Word of Mouth to Change the Travel Industry Forever: https://truested.com/story/airbnb • Space Mountain: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Mountain_(Disneyland) • How Netflix builds a culture of excellence | Elizabeth Stone (CTO): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-netflix-builds-a-culture-of-excellence • Steve Wozniak on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wozniaksteve/ • Uri’s post about the conference in Guatemala with Steve Wozniak: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/uri-levine_jewishnewyear-speakers-book-activity-6980089544079486976-0ADa/ • Leonardo da Vinci quote: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/9010638-simplicity-is-the-ultimate-sophistication-when-once-you-have-tasted • Geoffrey Moore on finding your beachhead, crossing the chasm, and dominating a market: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/geoffrey-moore-on-finding-your-beachhead • Nana Korobi Ya Oki: https://ikigaitribe.com/vlog/nana-korobi-ya-oki/ • That Will Never Work: The Birth of Netflix and the Amazing Life of an Idea: https://www.amazon.com/That-Will-Never-Work-Netflix/dp/0316530204 • Atomic Habits: An Easy & Proven Way to Build Good Habits & Break Bad Ones: https://www.amazon.com/Atomic-Habits-Proven-Build-Break/dp/0735211299 • 8 Great Chess Apps for Beginners and Grand Masters: https://www.wired.com/story/best-chess-apps/ • Pontera: https://pontera.com/ — Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com. — Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed. Get full access to Lenny's Newsletter at www.lennysnewsletter.com/subscribe

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Inside Canva: Coaches not managers, giving away your Legos, and running profitably | Cameron Adams (co-founder and CPO)

Inside Canva: Coaches not managers, giving away your Legos, and running profitably | Cameron Adams (co-founder and CPO)

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Cameron Adams is the co-founder and chief product officer of Canva. Canva is one of the world’s most valuable private software companies, used by 95% of Fortune 500 companies. Since its launch in 2013, Canva has grown to over 150 million monthly users in more than 190 countries, generating $2.3 billion in annual revenue. Prior to Canva, Cameron ran a design consultancy, worked at Google on Google Wave, and founded the email startup Fluent. He is also an author of five web design books and a regular speaker at global conferences. In our conversation, we discuss: • Why they spent a year building their minimum viable product (MVP) before launch • Why Canva has no managers, and their unique approach to coaching and performance reviews • Why they encourage employees to “give away their Legos” • Insights into Canva’s SEO growth strategy • Their three-pillar framework for integrating AI into their product • Stories from the early days — Brought to you by: • WorkOS—Modern identity platform for B2B SaaS, free up to 1 million MAUs • Attio—The powerful, flexible CRM for fast-growing startups • Vanta—Automate compliance. Simplify security. — Find the transcript at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/inside-canva-with-cameron-adams — Where to find Cameron Adams: • X: https://twitter.com/themaninblue • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/themaninblue • Website: https://themaninblue.com/ — Where to find Lenny: • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ — In this episode, we cover: (00:00) Cameron’s background (02:00) Reflecting on the success of Canva (04:50) Reflecting on hard times (10:01) Canva’s product-obsessed culture (12:02) Why they prioritize internal promotions and hires (13:56) What makes Canva unique (16:31) The concept of giving away your Legos (21:44) Why Canva has no managers (24:29) Product management at Canva (27:56) Reflections on working with a married couple (30:37) Why they spent a year building their MVP before launch (33:49) Advice for building an MVP (41:23) Canva’s onboarding transformation (44:25) Canva’s SEO strategy (50:37) The success of Canva’s freemium strategy (54:24) Integrating AI into Canva’s product (01:01:50) Where to find Cameron — Referenced: • Canva: https://www.canva.com/ • Melanie Perkins on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melanieperkins • Cliff Obrecht on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cliff-obrecht-79ba9920 • Jennie Rogerson, Head of People, LinkedIn post about “season opener” events: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/jennierogerson_season-opener-is-one-of-my-favourite-events-activity-7006815614556135424-73bD/ • Game of Thrones on HBO: https://www.hbo.com/game-of-thrones • Woodstock: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodstock • ‘Give Away Your Legos’ and Other Commandments for Scaling Startups: https://review.firstround.com/give-away-your-legos-and-other-commandments-for-scaling-startups/ • Minimum viable product (MVP): https://www.productboard.com/glossary/minimum-viable-product-mvp • Canva’s SEO Strategy Is Elite: https://thegrowthplaybook.substack.com/p/canvas-seo-strategy-is-elite • The SEO Strategy That Led Canva to a $40 Billion Valuation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INyGKt6LAqM • Andrianes Pinantoan on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrianes/ • Canva Create: https://www.canva.com/canva-create/ — Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com. — Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed. Get full access to Lenny's Newsletter at www.lennysnewsletter.com/subscribe

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